Coax Feedline Loss at HF: What It Really Costs You

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The Feedline Loss Calculator

Simple version: pick your band, your run, your cable, and your power. The calculator tells you how much signal reaches the antenna and how much is lost as heat in the cable. A newcomer gets the answer at a glance. An engineer gets a solid reference. Both leave knowing what to run.

It opens in matched mode, the simple case. Set an SWR and pick where your tuner lives, and it switches to the real-world case for a non-resonant Greyline running into a tuner, where the cable you choose starts to matter a great deal. Every dB counts.

Run The Numbers

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total feedline loss

Matched-line loss is modeled from each cable's published attenuation curve (skin-effect relationship). Loss under SWR uses the standard additional-loss formula from the ARRL Antenna Book and Maxwell's Reflections, validated against VK1OD's published 9913 example to within 0.01 dB. Balanced lines (450-ohm ladder, Kit 3) are not 50-ohm; the SWR on them differs from a 50-ohm meter reading, but their very low matched loss keeps total loss minimal even under severe mismatch -- which is exactly their advantage. Kit 3 is modeled from the W7SX design spec (16 AWG silicone, ~125 ohm); lab confirmation pending. One S-unit is 6 dB (IARU); real radios vary.

How To Read This

Leave SWR on 1:1 and you get the simplest answer: matched-line loss, the best your cable can do. That is the floor. Set a real SWR (your non-resonant Greyline presents a different match on every band) and tell it where your tuner lives, and the calculator shows the real number. Put the tuner at the feedpoint and the whole line runs at 1:1. Put it in the shack and the line carries the SWR, so the cable you chose has to earn its keep. The "SWR your radio sees" line is the honest one: a long lossy run can show a comfortable number at the rig while quietly cooking power in the cable.

The Physics, In Plain English

A decibel fools people because the scale is logarithmic. Three dB is half your power. One dB you will never see move. At HF, with good 50-ohm cable on a matched line, a 100-foot run costs a fraction of a dB -- well below what the station working you can hear. That is why feedline panic is usually oversized.

The Word That Changes Everything

Those low numbers hold for a matched line. Feed a poor match and the reflected power makes round trips up and down the cable, paying the loss every trip. On a small or lossy cable under high SWR, that adds up fast. On a large, low-loss cable, the round trips cost little. That is why, under SWR, conductor size matters far more than the matched number suggests.

This is the heart of it, and it is the case the gurus have made for decades. Rauch W8JI on how loosely most S-meters read and where loss really comes from. Devoldere ON4UN, in Low-Band DXing, on why a matched feedline runs through every serious low-band station. Maxwell W2DU, in Reflections, on exactly how reflected power behaves on a real line. And Zavrel W7SX, whose whole gift is making this physics make sense to the rest of us. We point the way. They do the math. Every claim on this page is held to that standard.

For a Greyline specifically: the antenna is non-resonant by design, so the feedline between it and the tuner sees real SWR. Run that line with a big, low-loss cable, or skip the problem entirely by tuning at the feedpoint, and you keep your signal. The calculator above lets you watch both choices play out.

Cable Reference -- Matched Loss, 100 ft

Matched-line loss in dB per 100 feet, lowest-loss cable first. Reference cables (RG-213, RG-8X, RG-58) are shown so you can see the gap; we do not recommend them for a permanent Greyline feed.

Band 450 Ladder Kit 3* Heliax 7/8 Heliax 1/2 LMR-600 DRF-400 RG-213 RG-8X RG-58
160m 0.03 0.07 0.06 0.10 0.12 0.18 0.25 0.24 0.62
80m 0.05 0.10 0.08 0.14 0.17 0.25 0.35 0.34 0.88
40m 0.06 0.14 0.11 0.19 0.23 0.34 0.48 0.47 1.22
30m 0.07 0.16 0.13 0.22 0.27 0.41 0.57 0.56 1.45
20m 0.09 0.19 0.15 0.26 0.32 0.48 0.68 0.67 1.72
17m 0.10 0.22 0.17 0.30 0.36 0.54 0.77 0.76 1.95
15m 0.11 0.23 0.19 0.32 0.39 0.59 0.84 0.82 2.12
12m 0.12 0.25 0.20 0.35 0.43 0.64 0.91 0.90 2.30
10m 0.13 0.27 0.22 0.38 0.46 0.69 0.98 0.97 2.48

*Kit 3 (two-conductor silicone wire in metallic conduit) is modeled from the W7SX design spec; bench confirmation pending. DRF-400 shares LMR-400 electricals -- the numbers are identical. Under SWR every figure rises, and the low-loss lines rise least; the calculator above shows your specific case.

The Feedline Trilogy

Understand it, measure it, build it -- in that order:

1. Feedline Physics — the why: loss, SWR, and common-mode current, in plain English.

2. The Feedline Loss Calculator — the measure: this page. Run your own numbers.

3. Feedline System Kits — the build: exact components and wiring for ladder line, coax, and silicone-in-conduit.

Held To The Literature

The math here follows the standard transmission-line references: the ARRL Antenna Book, Maxwell W2DU's Reflections, and Zavrel W7SX's Antenna Physics. The SWR engine was cross-checked against the published line-loss work of VK1OD and matches to within 0.01 dB.

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