Coax Feedline Loss at HF: What It Really Costs You
The Feedline Loss Calculator
Plain version: pick your band, your run, your cable, and your power. The calculator tells you how much signal reaches the antenna and how much is lost as heat in the cable. A newcomer gets the answer at a glance. An engineer gets a solid reference. Both leave knowing what to run.
It opens in matched mode, the simple case. Set an SWR and pick where your tuner lives, and it switches to the real-world case for a non-resonant Greyline running into a tuner, where the cable you choose starts to matter a great deal. Every dB counts.
Run The Numbers
Matched-line loss is modeled from each cable's published attenuation curve (skin-effect relationship). Loss under SWR uses the standard additional-loss formula from the ARRL Antenna Book and Maxwell's Reflections, validated against VK1OD's published 9913 example to within 0.01 dB. Balanced lines (450-ohm ladder, Kit 3) are not 50-ohm; the SWR on them differs from a 50-ohm meter reading, but their very low matched loss keeps total loss minimal even under severe mismatch -- which is exactly their advantage. Kit 3 is modeled from the W7SX design spec (16 AWG silicone, ~125 ohm); lab confirmation pending. One S-unit is 6 dB (IARU); real radios vary.
How To Read The Result
Total loss, in dB. Under about 1 dB is negligible. One to two dB is minor and worth good cable but not worth losing sleep over. Cross 2 dB and the cable is costing you real signal; by 3 dB, half your power is gone as heat before it ever leaves the shack. Time to step up the cable or move the tuner.
Watts at the antenna. The number that actually matters. If you run 100 watts and only 50 reach the antenna, you have quietly cut your station in half. And here is the part most operators miss: doubling power to make up for it costs far more than upgrading the coax once. Good cable is the cheapest 3 dB you will ever buy.
The SWR layer. Leave SWR on 1:1 and you get matched-line loss, the best your cable can do. Set a real SWR and tell it where your tuner lives. Put the tuner at the feedpoint and the whole line runs at 1:1. Put it in the shack and the line carries the SWR, so the cable you chose has to earn its keep. The "SWR your radio sees" line is the honest one: a long lossy run can read comfortable at the rig while quietly cooking power in the cable.
The Physics, In Plain English
A decibel fools people because the scale is logarithmic. Three dB is half your power. One dB you will never see move. At HF, with good 50-ohm cable on a matched line, a 100-foot run costs a fraction of a dB -- well below what the station working you can hear. That is why feedline panic is usually oversized.
The Word That Changes Everything
Those low numbers hold for a matched line. Feed a poor match and the reflected power makes round trips up and down the cable, paying the loss every trip. On a small or lossy cable under high SWR, that adds up fast. On a large, low-loss cable, the round trips cost little. That is why, under SWR, conductor size matters far more than the matched number suggests.
This is the heart of it, and it is the case the gurus have made for decades. Rauch W8JI on how loosely most S-meters read and where loss really comes from. Devoldere ON4UN, in Low-Band DXing, on why a matched feedline runs through every serious low-band station. Maxwell W2DU, in Reflections, on exactly how reflected power behaves on a real line. And Zavrel W7SX, whose whole gift is making this physics make sense to the rest of us. We point the way. They do the math. Every claim on this page is held to that standard.
For a Greyline specifically: the antenna is non-resonant by design, so the feedline between it and the tuner sees real SWR. Run that line with a big, low-loss cable, or skip the problem entirely by tuning at the feedpoint, and you keep your signal. The calculator above lets you watch both choices play out.
A Note On 450-Ohm Ladder Line
Ladder line is the lowest-loss feedline on the list, and the oldest. Used correctly, with a balanced tuner at the shack, it outperforms every coax here by a wide margin. The calculator shows why: it has almost no dielectric loss, only conductor loss, so even under high SWR its total loss barely moves. Three things to know before you choose it.
It cannot be buried. Ladder line must run in open air. Where coax would normally go underground, ladder line has to run through large-diameter open-air conduit so the conductors stay surrounded by air, not soil or insulation.
It is weather-sensitive. Rain, ice, and accumulated dirt on the conductors all shift its impedance. Performance is best clean and dry, and operators in wet climates see day-to-day variation that coax users do not.
It runs at high SWR by design. That is part of why it pairs so well with a balanced tuner feeding a doublet or VDA. The matched-line figure in the table below is the floor; actual loss depends on the load impedance. Set a high SWR in the calculator above and watch how little the ladder-line number changes -- that is the whole point of it.
Greyline's Kit 3 -- two-conductor silicone wire in metallic conduit -- aims to capture most of ladder line's low-loss advantage while solving the burial and weather problems. It is modeled on the page from the W7SX design spec, with bench confirmation pending.
Cable Reference -- Matched Loss, 100 ft
Matched-line loss in dB per 100 feet, lowest-loss cable first. Reference cables (RG-213, RG-8X, RG-58) are shown so you can see the gap; we do not recommend them for a permanent Greyline feed.
| Band | 450 Ladder | Kit 3* | Heliax 7/8 | Heliax 1/2 | LMR-600 | DRF-400 | RG-213 | RG-8X | RG-58 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 160m | 0.03 | 0.07 | 0.06 | 0.10 | 0.12 | 0.18 | 0.25 | 0.24 | 0.62 |
| 80m | 0.05 | 0.10 | 0.08 | 0.14 | 0.17 | 0.25 | 0.35 | 0.34 | 0.88 |
| 40m | 0.06 | 0.14 | 0.11 | 0.19 | 0.23 | 0.34 | 0.48 | 0.47 | 1.22 |
| 30m | 0.07 | 0.16 | 0.13 | 0.22 | 0.27 | 0.41 | 0.57 | 0.56 | 1.45 |
| 20m | 0.09 | 0.19 | 0.15 | 0.26 | 0.32 | 0.48 | 0.68 | 0.67 | 1.72 |
| 17m | 0.10 | 0.22 | 0.17 | 0.30 | 0.36 | 0.54 | 0.77 | 0.76 | 1.95 |
| 15m | 0.11 | 0.23 | 0.19 | 0.32 | 0.39 | 0.59 | 0.84 | 0.82 | 2.12 |
| 12m | 0.12 | 0.25 | 0.20 | 0.35 | 0.43 | 0.64 | 0.91 | 0.90 | 2.30 |
| 10m | 0.13 | 0.27 | 0.22 | 0.38 | 0.46 | 0.69 | 0.98 | 0.97 | 2.48 |
*Kit 3 (two-conductor silicone wire in metallic conduit) is modeled from the W7SX design spec; bench confirmation pending. DRF-400 shares LMR-400 electricals -- the numbers are identical. Under SWR every figure rises, and the low-loss lines rise least; the calculator above shows your specific case.
The Feedline Trilogy
Understand it, measure it, build it -- in that order:
1. Feedline Physics — the why: loss, SWR, and common-mode current, in plain English.
2. The Feedline Loss Calculator — the measure: this page. Run your own numbers.
3. Feedline System Kits — the build: exact components and wiring for ladder line, coax, and silicone-in-conduit.
About The Numbers
Matched-line loss is derived from each cable's published attenuation curve. Loss under SWR uses the standard additional-loss formula from the ARRL Antenna Book and Maxwell W2DU's Reflections, and was cross-checked against the published line-loss work of VK1OD -- it matches to within 0.01 dB. The references are the same ones the Greyline Bookshelf holds itself to: Maxwell on reflected power, ON4UN on low-band feedlines, K9YC on common-mode, and Zavrel W7SX on the underlying physics.
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